And no facts will ever get in the way of a true believer . if any Finnish electron reaches Netherlands most likely it goes via Baltic states, Poland and Germany. Nevermind the entirety of it. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. There is a tight social net up to the point where their transfer income pays for their existence. For example, in 2015, Burlington, Vermont, became the first city to announce it was running totally on renewable power. 14 October 2009. Hughes did write that some windmills might not recoup their energy-construction costs, but he didn't assert, as the meme implied, that no windmills will ever generate as much energy as was invested in building them. It doesnt add up, I would say about Euro 47 million is big money especially when you consider it`s for nothing.. What is clear is that most of those electrons didnt originate from wind turbines. 5.3M views, 13K likes, 1.3K loves, 1.7K comments, 95K shares, Facebook Watch Videos from BrightVibes: Amazing news! Google will allegedly power all its operations with renewable energy this year by doing exactly the same thing. I paid 1100 Euros/year for a 150 m2 house, at 1000 m altitude on the French alps, heating, hot water, everything included. Do the claims about Netherlands trains also require further explanation? [13] The wind farm demonstrates the growth in scale in wind power as between 1987 and 1991 it was the largest of its kind in Europe with 50 turbines and a total nameplate capacity of 15 MW. Since 2019, the buses have been powered by HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) made from processed deep fryer oil and industrial fats. http://elering.ee/cross-border-physical-flows/ NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. However, wind power consumption in the Netherlands in 2015 was 12.5TWh, indicating that about 5TWh of wind power was imported during the year. Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. Headlines like this make people feel good. As his statements were presented in that meme, Homer-Dixon appeared to have asserted that windmills never produce as much energy as is expended in building them: The quotations selectively employed in the meme were taken from Homer-Dixon's 2009 book Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives). But a recent piece of news about electricity caught my attention. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. But how does NS know the power it imports is wind? Same thing if you got solar panels on your house. What happens where there is insufficient wind for the required duration to powerup the batteries? Gimme a break. One windmill running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. [62], Installed land-based wind capacity (MW) by. This question generated a number of comments in the last Blowout so I thought I would take a quick look at it. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. Earlier this week, one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), announced that, since 1st January, every single one of its electric trains have been running on energy harvested from wind. [2] [6] The wind park was developed off the coast of IJmuiden by Econcern and Eneco Energie, at a total cost of $522.3 million.[6]. Electric trains also use regenerative braking, similar to whats found in hybrid and electric cars. You know all that and simply fabricate a problem where there is non. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. However, this quotation, which comes from an essay written by earth scientist David Hughes, was cherry-picked and presented out of context to create a deliberately misleading version of what the author actually said. Their original goal was to transition the trains to 100 percent renewable energy by 2018, but that target was moved up after reaching 75 percent in 2016. NS Dutch Railways has partnered with energy company Eneco to use its wind. Started operation in 2001 and is developing a 6,000kW two blade downwind turbine. When I travel, I just plug in my electric razor, which automatically converts it. You still technically get your power from the electric company, but you pay little to nothing for it because you are supplying them electricity. Over the course of this year the average will be around 11%, equal to wind powers share of the Netherlands annual grid electricity consumption. [1] In 2019, the wind turbines provided the country with 12% of its electricity demand during the year, a figure that is growing but somewhat below the average of 15% that wind power provides across the whole of the EU's electricity consumption. This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. Its our offshore coal burn. One such example is the largest wind farm in Holland, Noordoostpolder, which is installing industrial scale wind turbines such as the new Enercon onshore wind turbines, at the time the largest onshore turbines in the world rated at 7500kW nameplate capacity. But in reality, the commercial parties are making a double killing: getting free money throughout the FIT contract (paid for 100% by households) *and* profiting from the PR value of presenting themselves as selflessly investing their own money in wind and solar energy for the planet. Passing through the gates without traveling, Forgetting to check in or out and requesting refunds, Sustainable accessibility of the Netherlands, More information about NS buses that run on HVO. 2009. Thanks for the correction Lars. Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar, Andrews explains. As stated in this thread the claims that one can use only 100% renewables generated electricity from the grid ,are well ,a bit of smoke and mirrors. For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. Willem, forgive the pedantry, but its the second time you said it. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. Often only 100% renewable utilities are allowed to participate in the auctions. HomerDixon.com. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). NS consumes 1.2 terawatt hours (TWh) of electricity each year, which is the equivalent of 1% of the Netherlands' electricity consumption, or the total electricity consumption of all the households in Amsterdam. That would meet approximately 75% of the countries electricity needs. And how does NS justify this lesser claim? If its a less busy line, some of the electricity is stored in batteries on the train. Their goal was to operate all NS trains on electricity produced by wind turbines by January 2018. I did not say wind energy is Idiot Power.". The T1 standard relates to telecommunications. You bet. The Netherlands national railway company, NS, has announced all of its electric passenger trains (not the freight trains) are now 100% powered by wind energy. 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. [15], In February 2022 the Netherlands announced it increased its offshore wind target to 21 GW by 2030. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. Claims that Dutch trains running entirely on wind power are way off track. It feels to many like progress. Especially since there are no green electrons. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. In late 2015, the Dutch government announced its goal to power the country's electric trains entirely with wind power by 2018. According to Thomas Homer-Dixon, wind turbines never recoup the energy it takes to build them. Roger, that map isn`t quite updated. Founded in 2004, Produced at least 12 models at 250, 500, 750, 900 and 2000kW. Great post. In Norway 132,2 million guarantees of origin for hydro power were issued in 2014, corresponding to 132,2 Twh. Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. The 600,000 daily. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. Heating with electricity is their homemade problem that escalates bills for the poor with no alternative. With this, offshore wind energy makes an important contribution to achieving the increased climate target of 55% less CO2-emissions. Reply to Rod above went to the wrong place and left off the smiley after Albania. This text is selectively excerpted from a chapter written by David Hughes in Carbon Shift (2009), a book I co-edited. Its production also does not use any natural raw materials or food production resources. The problem with the high costs for heating in France is the really poor quality of the dwellings, their poor insulating and cheap quality whatever means of heating one uses its literally money thrown away. Thank you for explaining it to everyone else. Illustration 01-13-17 Dutch Railways' Electric Trains Now Run On 100% Wind Energy Now 1.2 million people per day can commute without raising their carbon footprint. A NS train. Calculated value from total installed nameplate capacity and actual electricity generation. Whats the trick? Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. There are very little poor people in Germany. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. So how does NS justify the claim that all Dutch trains run on 100% wind power? As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. There are ~40 utilities with sharp price competition in NL. There are very little poor people in Germany. They arent directly powered by wind. BBC News. Updated [5 February 2019]: Original version of this article attributed this quote to Thomas Homer-Dixon. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. Yes, they are called dwarves, or possibly hobbits. Half of that total is expected to come from foreign sources in Scandinavia and elsewhere, with the rest generated in the Netherlands. Deregulation Is Still Wrong for Consumers. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman, Ton . The electrons essentially vibrate in place at 60 Hz. You may have a battery bank to store some of it in case of an outage, but mostly it will go to the electric company and they credit you. [16], In March 2018 the Dutch government announced that it will build between 2023 and 2030 several new windfarms with a total installed capacity of 7 gigawatt. The Netherland's national railway company, NS, has announced that all of its electric passenger trains are now 100 percent powered by wind energy. The wind farm's 86 wind turbines will produce 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, enough. Dutch trains now run on green, renewable energy (Image courtesy of Groenetrain/NS/Eneco). When challenged on its claim, NS clarified that only the electrified portion of its system runs completely on wind power. 90/month for the typical 3 person household. If a energy supply company contracts with a renewable provider ( I am not including nuclear sources) would it be based on the installed power of the wind farms or a capacity factor adjusted power capabilities? Produced at least 8 models with power outputs of 100, 250, 500, 1000kW. Grid power in fact reflects the overall generation mix, which in the case of the Netherlands is dominantly gas and coal with only a small contribution from wind. NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. The commercials know that the public will probably think that the commercial parties are spending out of the goodness of their hearts, to save the planet. But its a funny read. (my emphasis). Offsets. 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The virtue signalling fools at NS might then undertsand the impact of intermittent supplies. Willem, you dont feel deprived by having 60Hz in the US. Good for saving valuable hydrocarbons for something more useful than burning them, and they really can supply all my electricity 24/7 that way. There are very little poor people in Germany., http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of-german-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html, The Spiegel FUD wont cut it. Grid connections for the Luchterduinen and Nordpoostpolder wind farms (locations approximate) are shown in black. [1], By December 2013, 1,975 wind turbines were operational on land in the Netherlands, with an aggregate capacity of 2,479 MW. But if youre reading this and thinking How can trains run on electricity?, fear not. Rail networks source this electricity from the grid, and just like for our homes, its transmitted to them via high-voltage lines. What Is (And Isn't) Scientific About The Multiverse. You make one good point here which is that France has cheap electricity but expensive heating. I have no wind records for the Netherlands but P.F. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. I would take it, then, that you are not among the poor and elderly who DO give a fig about money? In 2017, our trains in the Netherlands became the first in the world to run for 100% on wind energy, giving travellers the option of travelling without CO2 emissions. Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. So I know that its true, just as if I had read it in the Guardian. Just whatever serves your agenda. Established 1983. Many of the numerous smaller and older wind farms in the Netherlands consist of much smaller turbines compared to those typically deployed today. An Eneco and NS joint website. * Just an FYI, this official infographic shows that the scheme saves 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, which they say is the same as whats used by ALL of Amsterdams residents. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. The national railway company, NS, said that its renewables target had been met a year earlier than planned. one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele. RE fans should understand that present mainstream RE technologies ( mostly PV and wind) require considerable real estate and in our small island one cannot travel very far without having a wind farm in view. You are not really concerned about the energy bills of the poor. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. Hinkley C will have a footprint of 165 acres when operational and an equivalent footprint for onshore windturbines would be from 160,000 to 490,000 acres (dependent on power of turbines available) to produce the same power output over a year. However, it seems officials have been able to beat that goal by an entire year. I am laughing. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. I have just signed up with EON at 9.4p per Kwh, It is common for major companies to claim they use renewable or carbon-free power only, on the grounds of green certificates. If you would like to know more, click here. Random House Canada. Many of these smaller companies were eventually acquired by the larger wind turbine manufactures such as Vestas, Siemens and Lagerwey. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. They would stop when there isnt any, obs. . simply use the smart technology to cut them off until their consumption matches the wind farms output. You can't pull line between your house and a windmill and hope you have 100% power for all the time. Probably not. That would power a large proportion of all of the households in Amsterdam**. The largest wind farm in the Netherlands is Noordoostpolder with a capacity of 429 MW. But you seem happy to gloss over the fact that Germanys cheap power comes from coal, nuclear and Russian gas. It`s a scam. The Dutch and other people draw energy from the European grid, which has been generated by many sources. It is a pity that they are allowing so many onshore/offshore wind turbines to blight our green and pleasant land and sea. power for over 400,000 households every day, a figure roughly equivalent to the number of households in the Northern Netherlands.[13]. And enjoy 30c/kWh household electric rates, as in Denmark and Germany, without there being one iota of measurable benefit to the planet? I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system. When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . Can Renewable Portfolio Standards make RE Work? "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS. Wheres the renewable engy only socket? This is about two-thirds of the system. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. I read about them and saw a documentary film about them. Not big money, even on 100TWh. Obvious to the meanest intelligence. And of course no such connections exist. Eneco has made a point . The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. [61] A further 228 MW of installed capacity will be added when completed. You may opt-out by. This material may not be reproduced without permission. Yeah, that'show energy works. Does anyone even believe that? http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/. The Trains that run on Wind - BBC News 18,865 views Oct 17, 2017 This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand. Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own. Since 2017 , 100% of Dutch electric trains have been powered by wind energy. The Netherlands imports wind power basically because its falling behind its EU renewable energy targets. The 600,000 Dutch that travel daily by train will now do so thanks purely to wind energy, with the national rail operator Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS) announcing that 100 percent of its. We do something like this California with biogas. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). Green energy for train, bus and station In 2017, our trains in the Netherlands became the first in the world to run for 100% on wind energy, giving travellers the option of travelling without CO2 emissions. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. Since Lithuania has a chronic power shortage the flow normally goes North-South. Rather they act like a component in an electric circuit. As shown in the table below installed capacity is dominantly fossil fuel, with natural gas making up 61% of total installed capacity and coal 15%. It's a bit of smoke and mirrors but it helps to subside more expensive forms of generation. Every electric train on the Dutch railways NS network now gets 100 per cent of its energy from wind energy. The Dutch railways network (NS) started using wind energy generated by the turbines owned by electric company Eneco two years ago when they signed a ten-year agreement. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. Really funny, as it cuts it both ways when you dont know reality and cant speak French you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs or the greenpiss propaganda leaflets. They hope to reduce the energy used per passenger by a further 35% by 2020 compared with 2005. There are many reasons, of course, why NS would claim its trains run completely on wind power and even more reasons why many would celebrate this apparently breakthrough. So technically, the government is not paying for the FITs.. These newer and larger wind farms are making use of some of the largest wind turbines available, in particular in the case of Noordoostpolder the Enercon E-126 7500kW wind turbine, the largest onshore turbine available at that time. In this video, NS CEO Roger van Boxtel is humorously strapped to a windmill blade as he touts his companys latest renewable energy achievement. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. 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